The Big Flow

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The Big Flow

Postby Lateralman » Dec 27th, '11, 20:05

Not the ‘BIG BANG’ but the ‘BIG FALL’

Could it be that our universe is in something like an hourglass? Moreover, all the matter that created our universe is continuously flowing from the top down, from one side, into the other.

Forming the universe, we now live in and what we refer to as space. Leaving our planet and ourselves like disoriented scuba divers under the sea. (Which way up is the universe?)

If this were possible, this would explain many things. For instance, why the universe is not expanding but continuously falling and where to.( Our point of reference for any past big bangs may be because of multiple collisions as we continue to fall down, i.e. a firework exploding in the sky.) Why a void in the WMAP scans appears to show the solar systems converging at one point (This would be towards the bottom of the said hourglass/bubble.)

What happened before the beginning of our universe and where all the matter came from?

Why at the beginning of our universe there may have been many collisions creating more matter that has been refined through many big bangs.

That space is simply another form of what we refer to as a liquid combined with other liquids and all what we label, as matter is the lighter detritus remnants floating in it from the ‘Big Pour’ in the past that over time is now beginning to settle. Similar to what you would witness by looking at a water-filled test tube that has had, various types of matter put into it. Some would sink to the bottom and some would take some time before it reached the bottom.

That other universes do exist but perhaps some are empty of matter and only filled with space until the fabric of another universe above it tears apart under the weight of its matter-filled bottom, which pours down into it, continuing the cycle of creation.

The end of our universe will come when all the planets/rubble finally converge at the base and their combined weight ultimately splits the bubble or skin causing all the collected matter to pour into the next universe like the breaching of a dam.

This would mean that our universe is on a never-ending downward cycle repeatedly emptying and filling from one empty chamber to the next. Perhaps every time this process happens, all what we know as matter is being distilled little by little via entropy.

To put it into focus, imagine there being no such thing as time. That the imaginary hourglass is actually two bubble universes one on top of the other. The one above filled with liquid and sand, the one below just liquid. That each grain of sand pouring out from the full chamber of the hourglass into the next is the equivalent size of our sun or bigger. That all the grains are pouring though into a liquid we call space.

You have an idea of what happened before the beginning of our universe. Why nothing came from nothing. Why there was no big bang at the very beginning of our unknown universe, only a much earlier ‘Big Split’ leading to a ‘Big Pour’. Why we are not expanding but are in reality in a slow freefall. How our universe will meet its ultimate demise. This will be when all the matter collects eventually at the base and forces its way out once again to be reborn in the universe below this one.

Thinking bigger and beyond that could it be that the hourglass is repeated many times side by side with many layers so that a multiple many universes theory takes on the form of something like countless layers of bubble wrap. With what we know as being our known universe being contained within only one of the bubbles... Pop!

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Re: The Big Flow

Postby M Paul Lloyd » Dec 27th, '11, 21:02

I relinquish all claims to the word 'pop' as a scientific term for anything even remotely logical. :shock:
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Re: The Big Flow

Postby Dark One » Dec 28th, '11, 00:20

Looks like even Shads has given up with this malarky now :|
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Re: The Big Flow

Postby ... » Dec 28th, '11, 02:45

lateralman, you should take up writing sci fi, oh no, you already do :D
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Re: The Big Flow

Postby Lateralman » Dec 28th, '11, 19:30

As far as I am concerned, there is nothing wrong with anyone putting forward a suggestion as to what our universe may or may not be for none of us has the answer, yet. Therefore, my simple nonprofessional’s view is the more the merrier until an inspired solution that benefits all humankind is found.

Unfortunately, I do not have the benefit of having a Hubble telescope out on the porch but from the information I have read combined with a little imagination I now think that the universe is in freefall.

If this thought, or part of it, should lead to someone else suddenly having educated insight or if I am wrong, fine no problem but at least I am willing to put some thought into it and give it a shot.

Wacky ideas or not, this is a forum, a place for debate, correct. So there’s nothing for anyone to get up about.

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Re: The Big Flow

Postby scott fairbrass » Dec 28th, '11, 19:38

[quote="Lateralman"]

from the information I have read combined with a little imagination I now think that the universe is in freefall.
what is the name of this theory you have read please? and what does said theory say were we have freefallen from (the start)
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Re: The Big Flow

Postby Shadowwolf » Dec 28th, '11, 20:01

Alas Mr Fairbrass he has not read it anywhere, he makes them up out of whole cloth by himself.

Allow me to attempt a parsing of the above post by Lateral.

As far as I am concerned, the mere act of me posting something makes it worthwhile and real as I pretend that there are no reasoned explanations already out there that do the job better than mine. Therefore, my simple nonprofessional’s view is that any old fevered imaginings are useful, mostly because that's all I'm willing to do.

Unfortunately, I do not bother with trying to understand the knowledge developed by educated experts but merely mash the words I have read, combined with my unfettered imagination and I now think that the universe is in freefall, or lava bubbles, or super smash planets or whatever fad it will be next week and so on.

This makes me think I'm doing science or contributing to humanities betterment.

Wacky ideas or not, this is a forum, a place for debate - a word I have read but don't actually get, correct. So therefore I should be able to roll off this nonsense again and again without any regard to actual scientific knowledge, and no one should say boo because I just pointed out that this is a forum as though that means something.

Joy to the world or some other trite phrase.


Lateralman wrote:...but at least I am willing to put some thought into it...


Perhaps some day you will do so rather than merely be willing. ;)
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Re: The Big Flow

Postby Nails » Dec 28th, '11, 20:35

The greatest tool we have for gaining real knowledge about the universe is by using the scientific method.

Scientific method refers to a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge. To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning. The Oxford English Dictionary says that scientific method is: "a method or procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

key words: observation, testing, modification.

Let us always remember that if your ideas are not based on observation, or backed up by evidence, then they carry no weight whatsoever.
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Re: The Big Flow

Postby Lateralman » Dec 29th, '11, 11:11

SEASONS GREETINGS

Our world and all of the others that we witness in the darkness that surrounds us are nothing more than specks of biological space dust floating high in the upper atmosphere of what we call our universe.

One day to become frozen. To become crystal. To become individual snowflakes. Ready to begin their gradual decent together to infinite unknown ground.

Good-bye Snowflake Earth.
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Re: The Big Flow

Postby Willxx » Dec 29th, '11, 13:19

Wouldn't it have been easier to just nod and say "Yeeeessss" after the first post? :lol:
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Re: The Big Flow

Postby Lateralman » Dec 29th, '11, 18:16

Hey chaps. I am feeling some negative New Year vibes here.

Not so long ago I watched a ‘what is our universe’ documentary that featured a roundtable meeting of a group of honourable astrophysicists talking about what they envisaged the universe to be.

To be honest I thought that they were lacking in alternative ideas.

Call me wildly irresponsible by throwing caution to the wind but when I ‘observe’ the night sky, I am willing to make an uneducated guess as to what fate might await us out there in the void.

If we can believe in a Snowball Earth then why can’t it be Snowflake Earth? If it can be Snowflake Earth then why can’t it do a snowflakes do and fall in what we label as space?

It is that old issue of scale again.

We will never witness many things.
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