BBC Focus Magazine

[Shadowwolf]

Lateral your responding to things no one is talking about here.

[MikeG]

Interstellar travel may be possible but so far it looks less like a restriction of technology and more a restraint of physical laws.

The only restriction I can imagine you are referring to is speed of light? Sending out large teams that live and reproduce in space would solve that. Or maybe they have found the key to stopping the aging process by manipulating their DNA or extending their telomeres to infinity. Or maybe our theories of wormholes are not just the stuff of science fiction.

[M Paul Lloyd]

Yes MikeG, but what if these 'aliens' are space roving nomadics who have only recently encountered our solar system?

[Shadowwolf]

The only restriction I can imagine you are referring to is speed of light?

That's one, stable and traversable wormholes have not been found as yet, and I also don't think generation ships are entirely feasible and certainly are not what is allegedly buzzing Terra. But even allowing for the possibility of interstellar travel of some description, that possibility does not translate into actual visitation or even reasonable suspicion of visitation and that's the problem.

[MikeG]

Yes MikeG, but what if these 'aliens' are space roving nomadics who have only recently encountered our solar system?

Well then, we'll have to dig up the appropriate Hollywood script to see how we'll respond. That sounds like Independence Day, so we need to find a plumber that can create a virus to disrupt their shields.

Everybody knows that nomads are aggressive and out to strip a planet bare of its resources.

[M Paul Lloyd]

Everybody knows that nomads are aggressive and out to strip a planet bare of its resources.

Well of course.

[Shadowwolf]

Well any space borne species traveling wholesale from place to place is possibly more likely to require resources, by force if necessary.

Fairly sure that nothing of the sort is responsible for any alleged sighting.

[M Paul Lloyd]

Therefore, no UFO's, no aliens and ................... no abductions?

[MikeG]

Therefore, no UFO's, no aliens and ................... no abductions?

Don't tell me that crop circles are a HOAX!!!

[M Paul Lloyd]

Don't tell me that crop circles are a HOAX!!!

O......K............... I won't.

[Shadowwolf]

Don't tell that "researcher" Davenport either.

[MikeG]

Here's a crop circle to put all others to shame. And made by a fish no less.

http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2012/09/m ... -of-japan/

[MikeG]

Here is an update from the UFO conference I had mentioned will be taking place this Saturday. When (and if) I find anything else I will post. This is a pilots description of a UFO incident.

Coleman described his experience when, as a major, he piloted a B-25 bomber -- similar to the one pictured below -- with a four-man crew over Alabama on a clear afternoon in 1955.

"The co-pilot told me to look out at 2 o’clock high, so I turned around and pulled my seat back up and said it could be a little bright spot from sun reflection," Coleman told The Huffington Post.

"I took the airplane and started making a right turn and the object moved, meaning we were looking at an object at roughly 25,000 or 30,000 feet. It was a real bright dot, and suddenly, it started descending and it was coming across our flight path, and I sent my crew chief up into the bombardier’s section so he could look out through the glass nose of the bomber to get a different view than what we were seeing in the cockpit."
Coleman's pursuit of the UFO brought the bomber very near treetop level.

"We had a good view of it, because it was a cloudless day, it was out in the middle of nowhere and we didn’t see any cars or people, and I said, ‘Look at the shadow on the ground” -- it was circular. At that point, I was overtaking it and I said I was gonna make a hard turn to the right, I’m gonna stand the airplane up on its wing and I’m gonna turn back around, and we should be back alongside of it.'"

The bomber crew saw the object again as it flew over a freshly plowed field.

"As it was going across the field, there were two vortexes coming off the edge of it as it went across that field," Coleman recalled. "It was like a horizontal tornado."

The now-retired Air Force colonel, pictured below, said that, at their closest approach to the UFO, the bomber was about an eighth of a mile from it. And he got a good look at it.

"It was about 75 feet in diameter, 15-feet-thick at the center, no rivet lines, portholes, glass or windows. It was just metal -- what I call a run-of-the-mill flying saucer. It wasn’t reflective at all, except when it was at extreme altitude, it reflected sunlight, but as we got closer, all that disappeared."

Coleman tried to maneuver the bomber in order to "head him off at the pass," but by the time he was able to emerge from behind some trees, the UFO was gone, leaving the vortices of dust to settle on the ground.

Nearly 60 years after this close encounter, and 50 years since his involvement with Project Blue Book, Coleman has decided to make a definitive statement about UFOs.

"I think I've hit the nail on the head," he said, and plans to share this information on Saturday at the UFO lecture in Las Vegas.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/2 ... ?hpweird=y

[Shadowwolf]

60 years?

I'd not put much confidence in his or anyone else's recall of events after 60 years, you might recall the bare framework - which itself is not beyond being entirely imagined - but much is going to be re-shot so to speak. That it went unmentioned until decades later and there's apparently no evidence beyond his story years later ( Coleman Report ). Made up or embellished subconsciously given his connection to the whole UFO thing and resulted in him producing a show on em called Project UFO.

I'm not expecting much.

[MikeG]

60 years?

The problem is, that only retired individuals that no longer have to worry about their careers will ever speak up.

Also, Ive spoken to a lot of retirees that have razor sharp memories. Age doesn't necessarily mean dementia.

[M Paul Lloyd]

60 years?

Age doesn't necessarily mean dementia.

I have often wondered about this, given that people with alzheimer's can seemingly recall memories from way back with crystal clarity and even though I'm not yet retired I can recall memories from the early 1960's which seem on the face of it to be photographic in detail but which can prove quite innacurate when put to the test.

As I see it the bottom line is that the entire history of the UFO phenomena is based upon a hoax, and this includes project Blue Book, that was dreamed up act as a distraction from all the secret testing of such amazing but secret projects as the German V2 developments, nuclear rockets, turbo-jets and the likes of the Oxcart that would emerge from the likes of the Skunk Works and find there way to Groom Lake during the late 1940's and 50's.
So I am of the opinion that any factual account is actually going seem quite dull.

[Shadowwolf]

The problem is, that only retired individuals that no longer have to worry about their careers will ever speak up.

Or are free to say what they like and make stuff up if they so choose.

Also, Ive spoken to a lot of retirees that have razor sharp memories. Age doesn't necessarily mean dementia.

True but by 60 years I don't mean to suggest that he is befuddled and can no longer distinguish his imaginings from reality on a consistent basis. I'm saying as Mr M indicates that memory itself, whether you're 80 or 30 is simply not immutable and that 60 years affords a lot more time for the event to be reshaped again and again each time it comes up, if it were even real to begin with. His later work on Project Blue Book may have led to him recasting a more innocuous event into a full on UFO chase upon some chance recollection of his flight years before.

[Shadowwolf]

And the amazing reveal by Coleman et al is so stunning that the news services are still trying to parse it for our understanding..., or something, awfully quiet, not a word in fact or at least none I could find.

[MikeG]

And the amazing reveal by Coleman et al is so stunning that the news services are still trying to parse it for our understanding..., or something, awfully quiet, not a word in fact or at least none I could find.

Actually, the follow up story is on the editors desk. The author was kind enough to respond to my mail asking if there would be a follow up to the original article. Suprised me as well when he responded.

[Shadowwolf]

Oh I thought the Huffpo guy would have an article in time, I'm just surprised that there are apparently no details as if no one was there or as I reckon, there was nothing of any note or new.