BBC Focus Magazine

[Lateralman]

Good. At last we agree on something!

[M Paul Lloyd]

Well yes but that would hardly be life on Earth now would it?

[Gabriel]

However, I could not find anything specific on the main thought I put down. “Everything living is one organism that grows and reproduces by self-cannibalism.”

I find this to be an odd and slightly strange idea to live by feeding upon your dead genetic relations if everything living really is connected.

Let me do some distinction. When we talks about living beings we are talking about them in general terms (Maturana & Mpodozis, 2000), but when we talks about you, me, a cat, a dog, a flower, a bactheria and so on... we are talking about organisms. An organism is an autopoietic unity of first or second order (Maturana & Varela, 1997), like the examples I gave you. Of course we organism have evolutive and ecological relations between us, because we are part of a great system: the byosphere. But we are just components of the system, not the system itself. Parts of the whole, not the whole. And so, our relations between us, we lives at system's components. That's why, in strict sense, we can't talk about self-cannibalism. If you are eating your apple, you are not eating yourself, we are different organisms, but we have relations between us, and those relations give identity to system, ecosystem in this case (Villee, 1996).
Literature cited
Maturana,H.,Mpodozis,J(2000) The origin of species by means of natural drift. Rev Chil Hist Nat; 73(2): 261-310.
Maturana,H.,Varela,F.(1997) De Maquinas y Seres Vivos, autopoiesis de la organización de lo vivo, 2nd Ed.: Universitaria.
Villee,C.(1996) Biologia (R. Espinoza, Trad.), 8th Ed.: McGraw-Hill.

[Gabriel]

Please excuse me, I'm not an admin, so I can't delete one of my post, I repeated it. If someone can help me deleting my first of two posts it would be great!

[nemisis1960]

its ok gabriel i do it all the time one of the mods will sort it for you

I'd like to share a revelation that I’ve had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species, and I realised that humans are not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment; but you humans do not. Instead you multiply, and multiply, until every resource is consumed. The only way for you to survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern... a virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer on this planet, you are a plague, and we... are the cure.

from here http://www.moviemistakes.com/film808/quotes

sort of fits really

[Shadowwolf]

Done Mr Gabriel.

Ahh The Matrix Mr Nemisis, just on the other night I believe.

[Gabriel]

Indeed is an evocative message of ethical responsibility. Nevertheless is not related to our taxonomic category (because we steel being mammals after all), it moves me, is an important reminder of our nowadays situation and we must take action taking care of our environment and biosphere. And that's powerful.

[nemisis1960]

Indeed it was shadow they do a re-run on sky of the 3 films every now and then was a good series apart from the last one while the effects were good the story line left a lot to be desired. Just seeing the original post reminded me of Mr Smith’s now famous (or in-famous quote).

[sureshbansal342]

Earth itself is a single giant living organism.

[elly12]

In my idealistic view, all of living beings has the same original, which is the perfect works of God. Thus I agree with threat stater: all life on Earth are/used to be one living organism.

[M Paul Lloyd]

In my idealistic view, all of living beings has the same original, which is the perfect works of God. Thus I agree with threat stater: all life on Earth are/used to be one living organism.

That sounds an awful lot like the Gaia Hypothesis.
http://erg.ucd.ie/arupa/references/gaia.html

I am intrigued by your reference to God there Elly and without wishing to scare you off I was wondering if you had any problems reconciling scientific reason with a faith based concept?
I don't intend to undermine your belief, after all that is your choice and I respect that, but I would very much like to try and understand.

[sureshbansal342]

Earth itself is a single giant living organism and the true cause of organic hydrocarbon and fossil fuel is not an option. the role of cosmic organic chemistry can not be denied in planet formation. carbonaceous meteorite having amino acid and organic chemistry are seeds of planets and as one tree is a result of one seed same one planet is a result of these type of meteors (seeds of planets). sureshbansal342@gmail.com