You're not asking for a discussion. You're asking for volunteers to be the targets of a firing line and defend themselves with faith.
Kingphillip wrote:You can't see the world outside of rationality.
Kingphillip wrote:You can't accept irrationality's existence. You deny it.
Kingphillip wrote:You forbid it.
Kingphillip wrote:You try to not sound condescending, but you show condescension.
Kingphillip wrote:You're not asking for a discussion. You're asking for volunteers to be the targets of a firing line and defend themselves with faith.
It may well seem that way KingPhillip but I was genuinely hoping for some bona-fide input from someone even if it was only to say that faith was a powerful persuader.
Challenge should only arise if they knock on your door so to speak or seek to mold society in the image of their dogma, then it's fair game.
MikeG wrote:But the doubts had set in, and when I reread passages of the Old Testament again, I paid attention to what I was actually reading. The God described there was vengeful, destructive, sought the killing of women, children, and even livestock, to completely obliterate some people's (when we were taught that he gave life to all mankind, but in the end played favorites).
I just cannot understand how religion can possibly retain any credibility in our science based world.
So I guess we really have not yet evolved sufficiently to out grow our childish notions and need for a mature overseer?
Thinker wrote:Nonsense! We have grown out of it! But there is a minority and make no mistake, it is now a minority still believe in the man in the sky. Forget what the census' say about religious position.
Just 2% of respondents disagree with the statement that the law should apply to everyone equally, regardless of their personal religious beliefs, with 92% supporting it
Just a third (32%) believe Jesus was physically resurrected; half (49%) do not think of him as the Son of God
At the same time, many who self-identify as Christian hold beliefs that some churches would consider to be incompatible with traditional Christian teaching, such as astrology and reincarnation (27% in each case), ghosts (36%) and fate (64%).
Asked to select which one statement best describes what being a Christian means to them personally, 40% chose 'I try to be a good person' and around a quarter (26%) chose ‘It's how I was brought up'. Around one in six (16%) selected the statement ‘I have accepted Jesus as my Lord and Saviour' and less than one in ten (7%) chose 'I believe in the teachings of Jesus'.
Thinker wrote:As you said yourself, it's only fair that the kids make their own decisions later. Do you not worry that by taking them to church they are being indoctrinated with religious ideas?
Dark One wrote:It strikes me that we have a very blinkered view of what 'God' is .....
M Paul Lloyd wrote:Interesting stuff Nails, but, I'm thinking of religion in far broader terms than just Christianity.
MikeG wrote:Actually, there are many parallels between Judaism and other religions, including the creation myth, Adam and Eve, the flood, etc. what isn't so well known is tha Christ resembles a number of deities or heroes as well.
MikeG wrote:Thinker wrote:As you said yourself, it's only fair that the kids make their own decisions later. Do you not worry that by taking them to church they are being indoctrinated with religious ideas?
No harm can come from that actually, and it does a good job of forming ones moral character, at least when young. I have to figur this one out as I go along.
Nails wrote:Secondly I object to the statement that a religious upbringing/church attendance causes no harm.
Children have died when their religious parents have put faith before reason - not limited to rejection of medical treatments and/or vaccines. Peversely, some states in America recognise this line of thinking and have legislation to protect parents from the full weight of the law - including vastly reduced sentances when children die from religious thinking suppressing medical help.
Too many religions are more concerned with protecting the afterlife than reducing suffering in the here and now.
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