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There is also similar stuff going on for the water experiment, whereby water that has positive thoughts "projected" at it forms ice crystals that are more aesthetically pleasing.
Long-Awaited Medical Study Questions the Power of Prayer By BENEDICT CAREY
Published: March 31, 2006 New York Times
Prayers offered by strangers had no effect on the recovery of people who were undergoing heart surgery, a large and long-awaited study has found.
And patients who knew they were being prayed for had a higher rate of post-operative complications like abnormal heart rhythms, perhaps because of the expectations the prayers created, the researchers suggested.
Because it is the most scientifically rigorous investigation of whether prayer can heal illness, the study, begun almost a decade ago and involving more than 1,800 patients, has for years been the subject of speculation.
The question has been a contentious one among researchers. Proponents have argued that prayer is perhaps the most deeply human response to disease, and that it may relieve suffering by some mechanism that is not yet understood. Skeptics have contended that studying prayer is a waste of money and that it presupposes supernatural intervention, putting it by definition beyond the reach of science.
Emoto has freely admitted that in his experiments that all photos are taken selectively, only those that suit his needs are used
The problem with people who believe this stuff is the fallback argument of intention. As its an intention experiment, you get the results you want, wether they be sub-concious or knowingly intended.
I have seen quite a few forum posts from people who say they have put good control measure in place, explain the process they used and still got positive results, so quite perplexed as to the mechanism by which it may work.
One thing I will say though is that profiteering from something doesn't invalidate genuine results,
sadly it's not enough to convince an ardent hippy believer.
Shadowwolf wrote:Oh and I mentioned quantum merely because there is hardly any woo out there that does not wheel out the term as though it magically explains everything
Colm wrote:On the prayer thing, it will never be debunked. There is always the "you shall not put the lord to the test" in other words since God knows it's a test he won't listen to the prayer.
elusive11 wrote:His experiments demonstrate that human thoughts and intentions can alter physical reality, in this case the molecular structure of water. Given that humans are comprised of at least 60% water, his discovery has far reaching implications... can anyone really afford to have negative thoughts or intentions?
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