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[Shadowwolf]

It's almost as if Elusive11 hadn't read anything else posted in this entire thread, just saw the Emoto title and decided it needed a cut and paste opinion piece from elsewhere - Google the first line and you'll find it as I'm not linking it.

There is no opinion, no response to other posts, no nothing beyond this random paste job based on the keywords in the title. That's because Elusive is a bot, probably a spam one of the variety that pretends to be a normal user for a while before inserting links via their sig or some other manner.

It is indeed BS Mr Isaksson but in this case so is the user.

[MrIsaksson]

lol, i was tricked to respond by a bot
That will teach me

[M Paul Lloyd]

This has been such a well researched and informative discussion.


Aye, like right, whatever.

[Lateralman]

Academics chatting to boiled rice! Golly gosh no, conversing with ‘Rice Crackers’ would be a far better alternative to discovering a grain of truth in this theory.

[Shadowwolf]

I understand a scientific skepticism, however why not just do the experiment multiple times as accurately as possible like a lab experiment? What always seems to baffle me is the fact we are here we are alive we live in an incomprehensible Universe with dimensions we can't even see. There have been billions of different life forms and who knows how large the Universe is or whether there is the multi-verse? Think of what might be out there and the infinite possibilities. We limit our possibilities collectively as a planet and it's time to evolve or die. We must become aware of more than our 5 senses. If you think this is not possible just consider what I have said above, anything is possible. If you think your life is crap, guess what it's crap. If you look for what you love in life that is what you will see much of the time, especially in yourself and others. Thought has real power and if you want to talk science try looking at placebo data just for starters. If we all limited our imagination we would not have developed to the point in which we have. Think of all the technology we have first imagined and then created. Yes I am skeptical, however I have never done the experiment because I don't have to as I already know thought is incredibly powerful. One day we will look back after we have begun to learn how to really tap into the brain and/or the mind and maybe the individual and collective soul...... and we will think how primitive we were, thats easy just look back in history. Exploration to the stars is awesome and into the sea and all sorts of experiments, but ultimately the human mind is in my and many others opinions is the final frontier so to speak. If we do not evolve the mind then we might be doomed. I say rather than not believe try the experiment properly and find out. However, if you are negative during the process then what will it tell you. If one opens themselves up to the potentiality then that is where the great minds separate themselves from the rest. What I have seen is videos posted confirming the experiment. And there have been and there are continued experiments on the power of the mind using Buddhist monks and serious mediators in other controlled experiments using FMRI show through data what a snippet of what the mind can do. And cooked rice is not dead, if it were dead it would not turn to mold. Simply get a powerful microscope and look at the cooked rice and you will see it is teaming with life. To date we cannot find the smallest particles because every time we get a more powerful means of finding particles we find more and the same goes for telescopes. I assume everyone here is aware of Fractal Geometry. Can you explain where the Universe came from? Some things are beyond our current comprehension and to date we can't prove everything. As I said in the future if we evolve and release our unlimited positive potential we will look back and say "how could these people not see what is so obvious". In fact great minds of the past even 5000 years BC had more imagination than most around today. Now many of these great minds which were captured in writing there view of atoms and particles and energy... are being born out by science today. Just math equations written a very, very long time ago we have just recently solved and we needed computers to do it and decades of very hard work. Calculus and the Greeks, Newton, Enstein, electromagnetism, gravity is weak, atoms are 90% nothing, the weak force, the strong force, dark matter... If you didn't believe you could do something then you couldn't do it, but you do believe. Therefore, if your going to believe then climb the ladder and then set it on fire. Risk is the mathematically odds so why not roll the dice until they come-up 7's? Life is too short in my opinion so why not take some chances and believe? It's just my personal opinion as thats all we have and you are entitled to yours without any judgment from anyone else. Some people need to see it to believe it, while others believe it and then see it and that is how the greatest minds imagined and then created. The greatest power in the Universe is love (go ahead and get a test tube or do the math so you can believe it, but you don't need to because you know it's true emotions have power) and when we all realize that then we will have the world we imagine in our dreams. I am in favor of science, but we should not exclude the science of the mind as we are just at the beginning stages of a very long journey. I choose not to wait for all the data to come in and I believe I have health and love and success, why not? Best intentions to all 23

[Shadowwolf]

There, fixed it, fyi there is no reason for making an entire post in super-sized font as it makes the post needlessly long and does nothing for the content. Otherwise welcome along Mr herenow23

What always seems to baffle me is the fact we are here we are alive we live in an incomprehensible Universe with dimensions we can't even see.

But it's not incomprehensible, sure we've only begun to scratch the surface but we're able to explain more and more with each passing day and it seems to operate on very discernible, understandable principles we can access.

If you think this is not possible just consider what I have said above, anything is possible.

Well anything plausible is possible, other stuff like say... homeopathy, that's not.

Thought has real power and if you want to talk science try looking at placebo data just for starters.

It's also far less than some may like to imagine and the placebo effect is often severely oversold. It's mostly confined to the realms of subjective pain relief and trivial issues, it does not kill pathogens or cancer. Your frame of mind will help your overall response to disease etc. but it will not deal with serious issues, that requires specific medical interventions or death beckons.

Yes I am skeptical, however I have never done the experiment because I don't have to as I already know thought is incredibly powerful.

Well then I'd respectfully suggest that you're not if you're going to simply a-priori decide that you don't have to do an experiment, you don't have to have evidence because you've already decided what the answers going to be.

And cooked rice is not dead, if it were dead it would not turn to mold.

The rice itself is dead if thoroughly cooked, it does not turn to mold, mold is a fungus that uses the dead matter to feed on and spread, it's a separate organism.

In regards to Emoto, I've seen no credible evidence for the assertions made, no adequate controls that would lead to any useful data from the "experiments" or even a phenomenon worth investigating, no mechanism by which anything could plausibly occur and thus every reason to dismiss these baseless assertions. I don't believe merely because it sounds nice or that's how I'd like it to be, I demand evidence for a claim and if that's not forthcoming then I'll be dismissing it and I will be relatively assured that reality will accord with that position. We get that evidence from science which includes neuro-science, wishful thinking profits us none because ultimately, it's not real.

[herenow23]

Thanks bro,

First time here and I had problems viewing the smaller font, eyesight deal. Yes, I thought of editing it and your right. I just get on a roll and I haven't slept for a day and I'm pounding the coffee in an attempt to stay awake until I can snooze. I had to get it out before I lost the stream if you will, and I'm too tired to edit it. I need to focus on clarity, next time I'll do a better job. Thanks for the edit, good job. I'm happy to edit or delete my post if it's possible, I don't know yet as it's my first time here.

As we say in Hawaii (even though I recently moved after 3 decades there), Mahalo Nui Loa,

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[Shadowwolf]

No problem, btw whilst it may be hard to see there is a font re-sizer right below the 'Forum' option on the site navigation bar that will slightly enlarge the type but only for you; alternately I'm sure there is an option somewhere in whatever browser you use to enlarge the font displayed on websites.

I'm happy to edit or delete my post if it's possible, I don't know yet as it's my first time here.

Editing for most users is limited to about thirty minutes, beyond that it's permanent without intervention. The only major change required was in reducing the font size - which is the only change made - to keep the post more generally easily readable; there is no need for deletion, it is what it is. I also wouldn't worry about presentation too much, we're not grammar and punctuation Nazis here, once it's reasonably legible it should be fine and we don't improve without practice. We also have different styles of expressing ourselves with and that means we're always going to be dealing with responses that are not quite how we would make them, even if we were saying the same thing. If it helps, try focusing on your main points, maybe paragraphing each one out and placing them in a logical sequence of sorts. That would really help clarity and any reader really get your overall conclusion from longer posts such as above; fine enough as is though.

As we say in Hawaii (even though I recently moved after 3 decades there), Mahalo Nui Loa,

Sounds good, hopefully the move was to more pleasant climes or at least as pleasant.